US Marines launch major offensive in Afghanistan

B00STED4V · 07-02-2009, 06:21 AM

Long read, but good.

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NAWA, Afghanistan – Thousands of U.S. Marines poured from helicopters and armored vehicles into Taliban-controlled villages in southern Afghanistan on Thursday in the first major operation under President Barack Obama's strategy to stabilize the country.

The offensive was launched shortly after 1 a.m. Thursday local time (4:30 p.m. EDT Wednesday, 2030 GMT Wednesday) in Helmand province, a Taliban stronghold and the world's largest opium poppy-producing area. The goal is to clear insurgents from the hotly contested region before the nation's Aug. 20 presidential election.

The Marines have not suffered any serious casualties and have seen only a sporadic resistance, said Lt. Abe Sipe, a spokesman for the unit.
"The enemy has chosen to withdraw rather than engage for the most part," Sipe said. "We had a couple of heat casualties, but not deemed serious in nature at this time."

The operation came as U.S. military announced that one of its soldiers was captured by insurgents in eastern Afghanistan on Tuesday. The missing soldier was not involved in the Helmand operation.

Officials described the offensive — dubbed Khanjar or "Strike of the Sword" — as the largest and fastest-moving of the war's new phase and the biggest Marine offensive since the one in Fallujah, Iraq, in 2004. It involves nearly 4,000 newly arrived Marines plus 650 Afghan forces. British forces last week led similar, but smaller, missions to clear out insurgents in Helmand and neighboring Kandahar province.

"Where we go we will stay, and where we stay, we will hold, build and work toward transition of all security responsibilities to Afghan forces," Marine Corps Brig. Gen. Larry Nicholson said in a statement.

Pakistan's army said it had moved troops from elsewhere on its side of the Afghan border to the stretch opposite Helmand to try to stop any militants from fleeing the offensive. It gave no more details, but U.S. and Pakistani officials have expressed concern that stepped-up operations in southern Afghanistan could push the insurgents across the border.

Transport helicopters carried hundreds of Marines into the village of Nawa, some 20 miles (30 kilometers) south of the provincial capital of Lashkar Gah, in a region where no U.S. or other NATO troops have operated in large numbers.

The troops took many insurgents by surprise, dropping behind Taliban lines, said Capt. Drew Schoenmaker, from Greene, New York.
"We are kind of forging new ground here. We are going to a place nobody has been before," said Schoenmaker, 31, who commands Bravo Company of the 1st Battalion, 5th Marine Regiment.

Daybreak brought the sporadic crackle of gunfire. Medical helicopters circled overhead and landed, indicating possible early casualties among the Marines.
A Marine unit in Nawa traded gunfire with a group of some 20 insurgents, while Afghan troops exchanged small arms fire with militants after they were attacked with rocket propelled grenades fired from several houses.

A Cobra helicopter circling overhead for most of the day fired rockets at a tree line nearby. Other troops walked through fields of corn and past mud-wall homes. Only a handful of villagers dared to venture outside.
A roadside bomb early in the mission wounded one Marine, but he was able to continue, spokesman Capt. Bill Pelletier said.

Southern Afghanistan is a Taliban stronghold but also a region where Afghan President Hamid Karzai is seeking votes from fellow Pashtun tribesmen.

The Pentagon is deploying 21,000 additional troops to Afghanistan in time for the elections and expects the total number of U.S. forces there to reach 68,000 by year's end. That is double the number of troops in Afghanistan in 2008 but still half as many as are now in Iraq.

The Taliban, who took control of Afghanistan in 1996 and were ousted from power following a U.S.-led invasion in 2001, have made a violent comeback, wreaking havoc in much of the country's south and east, forcing the United States to pour in the new troops.

Pelletier said troops in Thursday's operation were sent in by a mixture of aircraft and ground transport under the cover of darkness.
The operation aims to show "the Afghan people that when we come in, we are going to stay long enough to set up their own institutions," Pelletier said.

Once on the ground, the troops will meet with local leaders, hear their needs and act on them, Pelletier said.
"We do not want people of Helmand province to see us as an enemy. We want to protect them from the enemy," Pelletier said.

Thousands of British forces, fighting under NATO command, have been in Helmand since 2006 with broadly the same strategy, but security has deteriorated. They have met with stronger resistance than initially expected against Taliban fighters bankrolled by the vast opium and heroin trade.

Reversing the insurgency's momentum has been a key component of the new U.S. strategy, and thousands of additional troops allow commanders to push and stay into areas where international and Afghan troops had no permanent presence before.
While Marine troops were the bulk of the force, recently arrived U.S. Army helicopters were also taking part in the operation.

In March, Obama unveiled his strategy for Afghanistan, seeking to defeat al-Qaida terrorists there and in Pakistan with a bigger force and a new commander. Taliban and other extremists, including those allied with al-Qaida, routinely cross the two nations' border in Afghanistan's remote south.

Last year, NATO and Pakistani forces cooperated in a series of complementary operations on the border, but the overall commitment of Islamabad to Washington's aims in Afghanistan has long been questioned.

Pakistan has frequently been accused in the past of failing to stop — and sometimes aiding — the movement of insurgents into Afghanistan from its side of the border.
The governor of Helmand province predicted Operation Khanjar would be "very effective."

"The security forces will build bases to provide security for the local people so that they can carry out every activity with this favorable background and take their lives forward in peace," Gov. Gulab Mangal said in a Pentagon news release.

Obama aims to boost the Afghan army from 80,000 to 134,000 troops by 2011 — and greatly increase training by U.S. troops accompanying them — so the Afghan military can take control of the war. The White House also is pushing forces to set clear goals for a war gone awry, provide more resources and make a better case for international support.

There is no timetable for withdrawal, and the White House has not estimated how many billions of dollars its plan will cost.
Elsewhere in Afghanistan, insurgents captured an American soldier on Tuesday, said Capt. Elizabeth Mathias, a U.S. military spokeswoman. The missing soldier was not part of the Helmand operation.

"We are using all of our resources to find him and provide for his safe return," Mathias said.
Mathias did not provide details on the soldier, the location where he was captured or the circumstances.

An Afghan police official said the soldier went missing during the day Tuesday in the Mullakheil area of eastern Paktika province. Gen. Nabi Mullakheil said there is an American base in the area.

Zabiullah Mujaheed, a spokesman for the Taliban, could not confirm that the soldier was with any of their militant forces. A myriad of insurgent groups operate in eastern Afghanistan, and the Taliban is only one of them.
The most important insurgent group operating in that area is known as Haqqani network and is led by Siraj Haqqani, whom the U.S. has accused of masterminding beheadings and suicide bombings.

So is this good or bad for us to be doing at this moment?

Stinky · 07-02-2009, 06:40 AM

I think they should have finished the job the first time instead of going into Iraq, but what's done is done. Hopefully we'll wipe the Taliban out this time for good.

I fear for the captured soldier.

**FreeBird** · 07-02-2009, 06:57 AM

pull out. arm nukes. FIRE!

**Therapist** · 07-02-2009, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by FreeBird

pull out. arm nukes. FIRE!

I agree, get our boys home so we can worry about our own god damn country.

**FreeBird** · 07-02-2009, 08:23 AM

we need to go back to defending our nation the way we did back before WWII, and put more money into the technology of shooting down ICBM's and other such long range missles... i would feel 1000% better about our "safety" if we had the 6th fleet patrolling the areas up to 200-300 miles off OUR shores and being more isolated and screening people comming into the country rather than fighting people that more than likely couldn't even get here to do dammage to us on our soil if they wanted to

Stinky · 07-02-2009, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Therapist

I agree, get our boys home so we can worry about our own god damn country.

Yup and put machine gun turrets on our boarders.

**FreeBird** · 07-02-2009, 08:32 AM

automated machine gun turrets...

**Therapist** · 07-02-2009, 08:33 AM

I'd rather see snipers... just pick em off one by one (they'll never see it coming

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Stinky · 07-02-2009, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by FreeBird

automated machine gun turrets...

B00STED4V · 07-02-2009, 08:41 AM

Yes

**FreeBird** · 07-02-2009, 08:47 AM

:whathesaid:

i dont care what other people want to do with the land they live in, if they are not directly trying to affect MY country i dont give a fuck let them be... as for trying to come here... snipers machinegun turrets, a huge field of land mines, such as korean boarder in that one 007 movie for the messycans. i dont care... isolationism is still an awesome deffence strategy, maybe not ecomonic one, but deffense FTW... why do you think everyone's so affraid of china...appart from their billion man army LOL

JonJon · 07-02-2009, 05:00 PM

a couple deaths by heat? that sucks.
anyone know what the estimated time table is for this? (or did i miss it in the article? i see at least 2011)

YoungGun · 07-03-2009, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by JonJon

a couple deaths by heat? that sucks.
anyone know what the estimated time table is for this? (or did i miss it in the article? i see at least 2011)

well into. our last group is getting back from Iraq, we will have a 12 month stand down, and then rumor has it the entire compnay will be packing up for Afghan, they already have a Reinforced MEB (Marine Expedtionary Brigrade) with 2 wings heading that way.

Marine Expeditionary Brigade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Chad

**Flash!** · 07-03-2009, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by YoungGun

Marine Expeditionary Brigade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That's a whole lotta whoop-ass!

YoungGun · 07-06-2009, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Flash!

That's a whole lotta whoop-ass!

yeah a MEB is no joke, and can be self sustained for 30 days with no reinforcements...yes that short of a time. a MEU is only 15 days in comparsion. the MEB is anywhere in strength from 5,000 to 15,000. and normally ALOT closer to that 5k number.

alot of people do not realize that the USMC is NOT an occupying force (haaaaay Army) and that we are quick reactive force, the MEU is small and only self sustainable for 2 weeks...one reason that the Current Commadant has told the JCS that the USMC can only sustain 7 month deployments...the USMC has never fought this way (and never should) it takes us out of our normal element and doctorine...and is one if not the leading reason we have suffered so many casualities over seas (rant off)

if anyone is more interested in this stuff check this out

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...usmc/magtf.htm

Chad

**FreeBird** · 07-06-2009, 05:47 AM

i'd wet myself if i was afgany rod bout now..

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