LS7

**jdv** · 04-24-2005, 01:49 AM

The LS7 shares the architecture which debuted with the celebrated LS1 in 1997, maintaining the LS1/2/6 engines' external dimensions, though nearly every component is all-new or revised for durability and power production. The block is a unique casting, designed to accommodate the 4.125-inch bore pressed-in dry cylinder liners. Main caps have been upgraded from the powdered metal material to forged steel, located and retained by dowels and six fasteners at each cap. That's some serious structure downstairs. Final block machining is carried out with torque plates installed, and main bulkhead fasteners torqued to specs.

The bigger bore is part of the equation that equals 427 cubic inches in the new LS7 - the balance is provided by the new 4.000-inch stroke crankshaft. Forged from 4140 chromium molybdenum steel with rolled fillet radius journals, it's essentially what we'd consider a race crank, far beyond the 10-series carbon steel undercut fillet forged production cranks of yesterday.

While the crankshaft material is impressive, the connecting rods are nothing short of exotic, being crafted from lightweight titanium, a first for a domestic production engine. Strength, fatigue life, and weight advantages make it the material of choice over the powdered metal rods used in the other current small-blocks. Rod weight is dropped to a flyweight 480 grams, a 30 percent savings in mass.

Topping the rod is a flat-top piston helping the LS7 achieve a compression ratio of 11:1. The piston features a skirt coating to reduce bore friction, and hard-anodized ring lands, which enhance durability and temperature resistance. Note the short compression height and the lightweight reactive ring pack; pins are full-floating.

The LS7 cylinder heads are a new design, and come fully CNC ported, setting a new benchmark for 2-valve performance. These heads are a key to the LS7's power production, with intake flow rates up 43 percent compared to the LS6/LS2 cylinder heads, while the exhaust notches up for a 26percent gain. These are serious cylinder heads, even by hardcore hot-rodder standards, and are far beyond anything ever seen in production.

Reports peg the intake port flow in the area of 360 cfm as delivered at the engine's peak valve lift, putting the flow capabilities in a league of its own. Technical highlights here include a raised runner with substantially enlarged cross section, full CNC porting, a 2.20-inch valve, and valves set at a 12 degree angle, in contrast to the LS 1/2/6's 15 degrees or the original smallblock's 23 degrees. Note that the familiar cathedral- shaped entrance of the LS1 is gone.

The deep CNC-ported exhaust ports are said to deliver 214 cfm of air flow at 28 inches of water depression. Also visible here are the "Beehive" shaped valvesprings, which reduce critical mass and are less prone to harmonic disturbance than conventional parallel-wound springs. The small diameter retainers also reduce mass at the valve side of the system.

As with the other working surfaces of the LS7 cylinder head, the 70cc combustion chamber is fully CNC-ed to a glorious flow-enhancing form. The combo of 2.20-inch intake and 1.610-inch exhaust valves fills the chamber to take maximum advantage of the available bore size. The spark plug is angled towards the exhaust valve as is standard procedure in aftermarket race heads, and is positioned deep in the chamber for a quick burn. Ample quench areas at each end of the chamber maximize combustion efficiency.

The cylinder heads are sealed to the block with multi-layered steel (MLS) headgaskets, a configuration which has become popular in the performance aftermarket for its bullet-proof seal.

The valves are far from standard fare, with the intake being made of titanium, dropping the weight 22 grams when compared to the LS2 units. The exhaust valves are also lightweight pieces, featuring hollow sodium-filled stems to reduce weight and aid heat transfer. The valvestems have been lengthened to allow for the flow enhancing, raised deep port, while accommodating the 0.591-inch valve lift.

The rockers are unique high-ratio pieces, providing a mechanical advantage of 1.8:1, as opposed to the 1.7:1 found on other Gen III and IV engines. Trunions are rollerized, while the body is designed for extremely low inertia and high strength. To route the pushrod away from the intake port walls, the intake rocker (left) is offset by 9mm, eliminating the compromise normally imposed by the pushrod pinch restriction.

Feeding the massive cylinder head port flow is an all-new intake, required to mate with the enlarged and raised ports of the LS7. The design mirrors the excellent earlier units, featuring cross-ram runners molded in a thermally advantageous polymer. Revisions to cross section, runner length, and plenum design match it to the LS7's requirements.

As with other Gen III and IV variants, the manifold is equipped with a large single throttle body mounted to the front. To supply the increase in displacement and airflow requirements, the throttle body has been enlarged to 90mm.

This cutaway illustrates the smooth streamlined shape from the intake runner into the beautifully-formed intake port. Notice that even without the older engines' cathedral roof, the injector targeting is directly to the back of the intake valve.

Another first for a domestic production engine with the LS7 is the use of a "dry-sump" oiling system. The front-mounted gerotor oil pump features two stages. The pan is evacuated by the scavenging stage, and the oil is fed to a remote reservoir tank. The reservoir allows a continuous supply to accumulate, and any air is separated, providing the pressure side of the pump with an uninterrupted and reliable source of lubricant under the most demanding driving conditions. This inside view of the sump illustrates the routing, with casting passages directing the scavenged oil flow from the pickup to the scavenge stage of the pump's port at the front of the pan. At the other side of the pan, the oil is routed to an exit at the side from the scavenge stage, and oil is drawn back into the pressure stage via the adjacent passage and supplied to the engine. Slick.

The two stages of the gerotor oil pump are clearly visible in the GM cutaway. The pump is driven directly off the crank snout, eliminating auxiliary drives from the camshaft.

[IMG]Providing the exhaust scavenging are hydro-formed steel tubular exhaust headers. The individual header tubes meet at a unique quad-outlet collector flange at the end of the header outlet. From there, exhaust is routed by a smoothly-tapered extension into a "wide-mouth" catalytic converter. The design greatly reduces the engine's backpressure[/IMG]

LS7 SPECIFICATIONS & Technical Highlights
Engine type: cam-in-block 90-degree V8
Block configuration: cast aluminum with pressed-in cylinder sleeves and 6-bolt, forged steel main bearing caps
Bore x Stroke (mm / in): 104.8 x 101.6 / 4.125 x 4.00
Displacement (L / cu in): 7.0 / 427
Crankshaft: forged steel
Connecting rods: forged titanium
Pistons: cast aluminum
Compression ratio: 11.0:1
Cylinder heads: CNC-ported aluminum; 70cc chamber volume
Exhaust: Hydro-formed tubular header
Valve size, intake (mm / in): 56 / 2.20 (titanium)
Valve size, exhaust (mm / in): 41 / 1.61 (sodium-filled)
Camshaft: hydraulic roller; 15mm (.591 in) lift (intake and exhaust)
Rocker arms: 1.8:1 offset (intake only)
Air intake: composite manifold with 90mm single-bore throttle body
Fuel: premium required. 91 octane minimum
Horsepower: 500 (373 kW) @ 6,200 rpm
Torque (lb-ft): 475 (644 Nm) @ 4,800 rpm
Engine redline(rpm): 7,000

CAM LIFT INT/EXH DUR @ 0.050 LOBE SEP
LS1 0.497"/0.498" 199/208 119
LS6 2001 0.550"/0.550" 204/218 117.5
LS6* LS2 0.525"/0.525" 207/217 116
LS7 0.593"/0.588" 211/230 TK
* 2nd design LS6 [/B]

ProCharger GT · 04-24-2005, 07:53 AM

Bring it on... I'd love to get my first LS7 kill on tape

mustang70 · 04-24-2005, 08:40 AM

That's awesome for a production engine.

pacgreen46 · 04-24-2005, 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mustang70

That's awesome for a production engine.

That's amazing for any engine. Wonder if they'll make some crate engines?

ryanrule · 04-24-2005, 09:27 AM

now if all their cars didnt suck, they would be set

**jdv** · 04-24-2005, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ryanrule

now if all their cars didnt suck, they would be set

Their cars dont suck, and your opinions dont count considering you drive a V6.

pacgreen46 · 04-24-2005, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jadesville

Their cars dont suck, and your opinions dont count considering you drive a V6.

Ouch.

FallenPhoenix · 04-24-2005, 12:16 PM

damn, GM sure can build an engine

UCBeau · 04-24-2005, 12:28 PM

11.1:1..boost unhappy...but then again it looks like its built take some punishment. i'd like to see a twin turbo on there

ryanrule · 04-24-2005, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jadesville

Their cars dont suck.

is that why the company is doing so well at the moment?

**jdv** · 04-24-2005, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ryanrule

is that why the company is doing so well at the moment?

Honda lost more sales than GM in the past year.

pinski · 04-24-2005, 03:33 PM

swifttiger05 · 04-25-2005, 08:37 AM

that is hot i want it in my camaro. Watched a LS1 Camaro shatter his alluminum drive shaft yesterday at the high school drags

340.29m/s · 04-25-2005, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swifttiger05

that is hot i want it in my camaro. Watched a LS1 Camaro shatter his alluminum drive shaft yesterday at the high school drags

I was there too. It was a tiny little drive shaft

I was surprised he snapped it in the middle though...

Serves him right anyway, all I ever hear from him is shit-talkin'.

6Stang7 · 04-25-2005, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ryanrule

is that why the company is doing so well at the moment?

so a companys sales denote how well a car performs?

**jdv** · 04-25-2005, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ryanrule

is that why the company is doing so well at the moment?

Actually, no, DC, Toyota and Nissan are doing better than Honda.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6Stang7

so a companys sales denote how well a car performs?

No, but it show's how successful they are to market that car, and Honda has lost 3% of their sales.

ryanrule · 04-25-2005, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6Stang7

so a companys sales denote how good of a car they make?

yes, generally

6Stang7 · 04-25-2005, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ryanrule

yes, generally

alright, care to explain that one?

FallenPhoenix · 04-25-2005, 03:31 PM

makes perfect sense the way ryan put it

swifttiger05 · 04-25-2005, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 340.29m/s

I was there too. It was a tiny little drive shaft

I was surprised he snapped it in the middle though...

Serves him right anyway, all I ever hear from him is shit-talkin'.

Yea but lots of them snapped over the day. And we got third place in bracket one.
O and the ProCharger Mustang was the shit with an F3 on it.

Danre · 04-25-2005, 06:35 PM

Nice engine.

unexplainedbacon · 04-25-2005, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UCBeau

11.1:1..boost unhappy...but then again it looks like its built take some punishment. i'd like to see a twin turbo on there

GM engines are known to love nitrous, id love to see a Ls7 with a big shot.
this new vette is going to seriously own

Stumpy · 04-26-2005, 12:26 PM

So how big is too big?? 7.5, 8.0, 8.5, 9.0??????

Just seems like they just keep making it bigger and bigger instead of trying to just get more out of what they already have...

I wonder how much power Honda could get out of a 7.0L engine...

(Course it would have no torque... but hey..

)

FallenPhoenix · 04-26-2005, 12:43 PM

they could probably get a reliable 700hp from a DOHC 7.0L but they'd probably make it looks like girl car

Note that the RSX is not a girl car IMO.

340.29m/s · 04-26-2005, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Black RSX

So how big is too big?? 7.5, 8.0, 8.5, 9.0??????

Just seems like they just keep making it bigger and bigger instead of trying to just get more out of what they already have...

I wonder how much power Honda could get out of a 7.0L engine...

(Course it would have no torque... but hey..

)

Typical ricer talk.

DOHC would add lots of weight up high and make the entire thing much bigger (physically.) I think it is awesome what they are still doing with pushrod engines! I can just about promise you that it wont take much to get lots more power out of this. Just by the parts listed, you should be able to make atleast 550 or so... GM just has something in there holding it up. (Probably for gas mileage, insurance, CAFE, etc)

I would take a big OHV engine over a small DOHC any day of the week.

04-24-2005, 01:49 AM	#1
jdv the polarbear conservation corps protects a polarbear homie straight outa' compton because polarbears love klondike bars Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 34,173	LS7 The LS7 shares the architecture which debuted with the celebrated LS1 in 1997, maintaining the LS1/2/6 engines' external dimensions, though nearly every component is all-new or revised for durability and power production. The block is a unique casting, designed to accommodate the 4.125-inch bore pressed-in dry cylinder liners. Main caps have been upgraded from the powdered metal material to forged steel, located and retained by dowels and six fasteners at each cap. That's some serious structure downstairs. Final block machining is carried out with torque plates installed, and main bulkhead fasteners torqued to specs. The bigger bore is part of the equation that equals 427 cubic inches in the new LS7 - the balance is provided by the new 4.000-inch stroke crankshaft. Forged from 4140 chromium molybdenum steel with rolled fillet radius journals, it's essentially what we'd consider a race crank, far beyond the 10-series carbon steel undercut fillet forged production cranks of yesterday. While the crankshaft material is impressive, the connecting rods are nothing short of exotic, being crafted from lightweight titanium, a first for a domestic production engine. Strength, fatigue life, and weight advantages make it the material of choice over the powdered metal rods used in the other current small-blocks. Rod weight is dropped to a flyweight 480 grams, a 30 percent savings in mass. Topping the rod is a flat-top piston helping the LS7 achieve a compression ratio of 11:1. The piston features a skirt coating to reduce bore friction, and hard-anodized ring lands, which enhance durability and temperature resistance. Note the short compression height and the lightweight reactive ring pack; pins are full-floating. The LS7 cylinder heads are a new design, and come fully CNC ported, setting a new benchmark for 2-valve performance. These heads are a key to the LS7's power production, with intake flow rates up 43 percent compared to the LS6/LS2 cylinder heads, while the exhaust notches up for a 26percent gain. These are serious cylinder heads, even by hardcore hot-rodder standards, and are far beyond anything ever seen in production. Reports peg the intake port flow in the area of 360 cfm as delivered at the engine's peak valve lift, putting the flow capabilities in a league of its own. Technical highlights here include a raised runner with substantially enlarged cross section, full CNC porting, a 2.20-inch valve, and valves set at a 12 degree angle, in contrast to the LS 1/2/6's 15 degrees or the original smallblock's 23 degrees. Note that the familiar cathedral- shaped entrance of the LS1 is gone. The deep CNC-ported exhaust ports are said to deliver 214 cfm of air flow at 28 inches of water depression. Also visible here are the "Beehive" shaped valvesprings, which reduce critical mass and are less prone to harmonic disturbance than conventional parallel-wound springs. The small diameter retainers also reduce mass at the valve side of the system. As with the other working surfaces of the LS7 cylinder head, the 70cc combustion chamber is fully CNC-ed to a glorious flow-enhancing form. The combo of 2.20-inch intake and 1.610-inch exhaust valves fills the chamber to take maximum advantage of the available bore size. The spark plug is angled towards the exhaust valve as is standard procedure in aftermarket race heads, and is positioned deep in the chamber for a quick burn. Ample quench areas at each end of the chamber maximize combustion efficiency. The cylinder heads are sealed to the block with multi-layered steel (MLS) headgaskets, a configuration which has become popular in the performance aftermarket for its bullet-proof seal. The valves are far from standard fare, with the intake being made of titanium, dropping the weight 22 grams when compared to the LS2 units. The exhaust valves are also lightweight pieces, featuring hollow sodium-filled stems to reduce weight and aid heat transfer. The valvestems have been lengthened to allow for the flow enhancing, raised deep port, while accommodating the 0.591-inch valve lift. The rockers are unique high-ratio pieces, providing a mechanical advantage of 1.8:1, as opposed to the 1.7:1 found on other Gen III and IV engines. Trunions are rollerized, while the body is designed for extremely low inertia and high strength. To route the pushrod away from the intake port walls, the intake rocker (left) is offset by 9mm, eliminating the compromise normally imposed by the pushrod pinch restriction. Feeding the massive cylinder head port flow is an all-new intake, required to mate with the enlarged and raised ports of the LS7. The design mirrors the excellent earlier units, featuring cross-ram runners molded in a thermally advantageous polymer. Revisions to cross section, runner length, and plenum design match it to the LS7's requirements. As with other Gen III and IV variants, the manifold is equipped with a large single throttle body mounted to the front. To supply the increase in displacement and airflow requirements, the throttle body has been enlarged to 90mm. This cutaway illustrates the smooth streamlined shape from the intake runner into the beautifully-formed intake port. Notice that even without the older engines' cathedral roof, the injector targeting is directly to the back of the intake valve. Another first for a domestic production engine with the LS7 is the use of a "dry-sump" oiling system. The front-mounted gerotor oil pump features two stages. The pan is evacuated by the scavenging stage, and the oil is fed to a remote reservoir tank. The reservoir allows a continuous supply to accumulate, and any air is separated, providing the pressure side of the pump with an uninterrupted and reliable source of lubricant under the most demanding driving conditions. This inside view of the sump illustrates the routing, with casting passages directing the scavenged oil flow from the pickup to the scavenge stage of the pump's port at the front of the pan. At the other side of the pan, the oil is routed to an exit at the side from the scavenge stage, and oil is drawn back into the pressure stage via the adjacent passage and supplied to the engine. Slick. The two stages of the gerotor oil pump are clearly visible in the GM cutaway. The pump is driven directly off the crank snout, eliminating auxiliary drives from the camshaft. [IMG]Providing the exhaust scavenging are hydro-formed steel tubular exhaust headers. The individual header tubes meet at a unique quad-outlet collector flange at the end of the header outlet. From there, exhaust is routed by a smoothly-tapered extension into a "wide-mouth" catalytic converter. The design greatly reduces the engine's backpressure[/IMG] LS7 SPECIFICATIONS & Technical Highlights Engine type: cam-in-block 90-degree V8 Block configuration: cast aluminum with pressed-in cylinder sleeves and 6-bolt, forged steel main bearing caps Bore x Stroke (mm / in): 104.8 x 101.6 / 4.125 x 4.00 Displacement (L / cu in): 7.0 / 427 Crankshaft: forged steel Connecting rods: forged titanium Pistons: cast aluminum Compression ratio: 11.0:1 Cylinder heads: CNC-ported aluminum; 70cc chamber volume Exhaust: Hydro-formed tubular header Valve size, intake (mm / in): 56 / 2.20 (titanium) Valve size, exhaust (mm / in): 41 / 1.61 (sodium-filled) Camshaft: hydraulic roller; 15mm (.591 in) lift (intake and exhaust) Rocker arms: 1.8:1 offset (intake only) Air intake: composite manifold with 90mm single-bore throttle body Fuel: premium required. 91 octane minimum Horsepower: 500 (373 kW) @ 6,200 rpm Torque (lb-ft): 475 (644 Nm) @ 4,800 rpm Engine redline(rpm): 7,000 CAM LIFT INT/EXH DUR @ 0.050 LOBE SEP LS1 0.497"/0.498" 199/208 119 LS6 2001 0.550"/0.550" 204/218 117.5 LS6* LS2 0.525"/0.525" 207/217 116 LS7 0.593"/0.588" 211/230 TK * 2nd design LS6 [/B]

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FallenPhoenix Blah blah blah final five blah blah Breakout Champion! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: College Station Tx Posts: 8,628	makes perfect sense the way ryan put it __________________ The views and opinions expressed above do not necessarily reflect those of DarkMesa, it's owners, or polar bears in general. rawr copyright 2006, phoenix Sinanym.com - My Blog Wiki40k.com - Warhammer 40k Wiki project

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