The officially official 9/11 thread - Page 3

**jdv** · 09-12-2008, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by FreeBird

i dont side with either. but i HAVE found that relatively speaking those on the "its disrespectful to the familys to say it was our government who did it" people are fucking idiots and think that any questioning of the events in any form, or saying it COULD be a conspiracy is somehow morally wrong. and for anyone to have questions, or theories about the events are also wrong, and seem to condem them and say they need a reality check/ need to get slapped. but i merely question why?

I have to say, I have no problem with discussion with the events that happened, but it is very disrespectful to talk about them on the anniversary that they occurred. Today (or yesterday) we are remembering the victims and honoring those who lost their lives in the tragedy. It is my opinion that anyone who discusses any type of conspiracy, or politics is completely disrespectful on this day. Using today to promote a political agenda is cowardly and cruel to those who lost their family members and friends.

I'd like to bring up an event that I encountered a few years ago. I had a friend pass away in the war, and I was at his memorial, during the time the "No Blood for Oil" campaign was very strong, and there was a couple of protesters that attended. Obviously you could imagine how well they were welcomed as they were shouting out profanities to wards soldiers. Outcome? One of them made a gesture to wards someone, and a group of ten people jumped on top of them including 2 police officers. Here's the great part: They were arrested for "resisting arrest". They were also screaming how it was unfair they were being arrested but the people who jumped them weren't.

People shouldn't burn their bridges, because if something unfair happened to you, you would want the respect they deserve as well. Save the conspiracy discussion for another day.

**madmatt** · 09-12-2008, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by jdv

I have to say, I have no problem with discussion with the events that happened, but it is very disrespectful to talk about them on the anniversary that they occurred. Today (or yesterday) we are remembering the victims and honoring those who lost their lives in the tragedy. It is my opinion that anyone who discusses any type of conspiracy, or politics is completely disrespectful on this day. Using today to promote a political agenda is cowardly and cruel to those who lost their family members and friends.

I'd like to bring up an event that I encountered a few years ago. I had a friend pass away in the war, and I was at his memorial, during the time the "No Blood for Oil" campaign was very strong, and there was a couple of protesters that attended. Obviously you could imagine how well they were welcomed as they were shouting out profanities to wards soldiers. Outcome? One of them made a gesture to wards someone, and a group of ten people jumped on top of them including 2 police officers. Here's the great part: They were arrested for "resisting arrest". They were also screaming how it was unfair they were being arrested but the people who jumped them weren't.

People shouldn't burn their bridges, because if something unfair happened to you, you would want the respect they deserve as well. Save the conspiracy discussion for another day.

100% agree

tx3nc · 09-12-2008, 07:17 AM

Even bo stopped campaigning yesterdy.

FreeBird · 09-12-2008, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by jdv

I have to say, I have no problem with discussion with the events that happened, but it is very disrespectful to talk about them on the anniversary that they occurred. Today (or yesterday) we are remembering the victims and honoring those who lost their lives in the tragedy. It is my opinion that anyone who discusses any type of conspiracy, or politics is completely disrespectful on this day. Using today to promote a political agenda is cowardly and cruel to those who lost their family members and friends.

I'd like to bring up an event that I encountered a few years ago. I had a friend pass away in the war, and I was at his memorial, during the time the "No Blood for Oil" campaign was very strong, and there was a couple of protesters that attended. Obviously you could imagine how well they were welcomed as they were shouting out profanities to wards soldiers. Outcome? One of them made a gesture to wards someone, and a group of ten people jumped on top of them including 2 police officers. Here's the great part: They were arrested for "resisting arrest". They were also screaming how it was unfair they were being arrested but the people who jumped them weren't.

People shouldn't burn their bridges, because if something unfair happened to you, you would want the respect they deserve as well. Save the conspiracy discussion for another day.

sorry, but discussing the events, or possable truths about the events on any day, including the anneversary is NOT disrespectful at all to anyone that died, their families or anyone else. Its the manner in wich the discussion takes place that determines if people are being disrespectfull to those that died.

you seem to put those of us who would discuss such an event, or conspiracy theories in the same group as those protesting a burial of a soldier, who were also being unruly and porposly picking a fight. Their goal was to cause a scene and be doushbags, and they were porposefully trying to slander your friend and anyone else's funeral they may have attended b4. buy sorry i do not agree with you doing such a thing. Many people, myself included are perfectly capable to discuss in a rational manner, so long as the otherside is just as calm and rational for this topic or any other controversial one in their anniversary i do not agree that such talks in any way show disrespect to the casualties of the event. i am not deminishing anything that happened, or pushing aside humanity for any personal gain. Further I am not tarnishing any memories about those that died in my discussions. However, this is YOU forum, and you get to set the rules for it, you wish not a discussion to come arise on or around any specific times make it so, or simply delete a thread you wish not to be up and give the thread maker a viable, and reasonable exucse for it.

You use the term burning bridges, im interested, are you implying i am trying to stirr up shit just to get people flustered and combative?? i assure you i am not Spazdirtydiapersanchez

. i have indeed been lucky, all those in my family who have served survived any real harm, and to my knowledge only one member of my family/friends network knew anyone who died in the 911 attacks, and even that was unbelievably distant. With that said no i would not want protesters at my friends/relatives funeral period, and it wouldnt have taken them even saying something if i the person being burried meant even a little to me, but fielding a open disscusion about the events that lead to my loved ones death is in no way disrespectful on any day, so long as the discussion is respectful. Would you not have been just as pissed if 5 and a half months went by and someone slandered your friends name in protest?? the timing of the discussions and debates is only marginally relevent until those debating lose respect for themselves, those they are debating/discussing with, and lose sight that lives were lost and get into a bickering match. And unfortunately when the dates are close to the discussion timing people have a heightend state of emotions for all involved in the discussions and debates. it only makes it that much harder to be respectful, and the fuse that much shorter for those personally affected.

burning bridges... lol

one simple note about showing respect.

I moved all my comments and quotes (minus the first one i merely copy pasted that one into the mailbox thread), to my mailbox issue thread rather than discussing it in this one, i did so without any asking from anyone, i chose to keep that seperate under my own convictions.

B00STED4V · 09-12-2008, 10:10 AM

i didnt read any of the last posts

**stang_lover69** · 09-12-2008, 10:11 AM

i personally think that even the news stations re-playing the events every year since it's happened, is disrespectful. if you were family of someone that died, would you want to turn on the tv every year on that date and see the same tragic event that took your loved ones life over and over again? i know i wouldn't.

B00STED4V · 09-12-2008, 10:16 AM

yeah sometimes it's a little rough to see it over and over and over and OVER again, but thats what happened and its become a huge part of American history now and i don think that we should NOT watch them, I think they should play some of the videos and play the documentaries and the news footage so people never forget exaclty how that day made them feel and how pissed off everyone was and why we are in the situation we are in now.

I agree with the family statement though, i could see getting a little upset after seeing that again and again and again if i had lost someone in that event. but the media doesn't handle anything carefully and only wants ratings... but at the same time they give us what we want to see, because i dont know about you, but i sure watched the shows on it lastnight on the History channel.

just an opinion though.

**jdv** · 09-12-2008, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by FreeBird

sorry, but discussing the events, or possable truths about the events on any day, including the anneversary is NOT disrespectful at all to anyone that died, their families or anyone else. Its the manner in wich the discussion takes place that determines if people are being disrespectfull to those that died.

you seem to put those of us who would discuss such an event, or conspiracy theories in the same group as those protesting a burial of a soldier, who were also being unruly and porposly picking a fight. Their goal was to cause a scene and be doushbags, and they were porposefully trying to slander your friend and anyone else's funeral they may have attended b4. buy sorry i do not agree with you doing such a thing. Many people, myself included are perfectly capable to discuss in a rational manner, so long as the otherside is just as calm and rational for this topic or any other controversial one in their anniversary i do not agree that such talks in any way show disrespect to the casualties of the event. i am not deminishing anything that happened, or pushing aside humanity for any personal gain. Further I am not tarnishing any memories about those that died in my discussions. However, this is YOU forum, and you get to set the rules for it, you wish not a discussion to come arise on or around any specific times make it so, or simply delete a thread you wish not to be up and give the thread maker a viable, and reasonable exucse for it.

You use the term burning bridges, im interested, are you implying i am trying to stirr up shit just to get people flustered and combative?? i assure you i am not Spazdirtydiapersanchez

. i have indeed been lucky, all those in my family who have served survived any real harm, and to my knowledge only one member of my family/friends network knew anyone who died in the 911 attacks, and even that was unbelievably distant. With that said no i would not want protesters at my friends/relatives funeral period, and it wouldnt have taken them even saying something if i the person being burried meant even a little to me, but fielding a open disscusion about the events that lead to my loved ones death is in no way disrespectful on any day, so long as the discussion is respectful. Would you not have been just as pissed if 5 and a half months went by and someone slandered your friends name in protest?? the timing of the discussions and debates is only marginally relevent until those debating lose respect for themselves, those they are debating/discussing with, and lose sight that lives were lost and get into a bickering match. And unfortunately when the dates are close to the discussion timing people have a heightend state of emotions for all involved in the discussions and debates. it only makes it that much harder to be respectful, and the fuse that much shorter for those personally affected.

burning bridges... lol

one simple note about showing respect.

I moved all my comments and quotes (minus the first one i merely copy pasted that one into the mailbox thread), to my mailbox issue thread rather than discussing it in this one, i did so without any asking from anyone, i chose to keep that seperate under my own convictions.

I'm not directing anything towards you.

Discussing a "possible truth" or campaigning "no blood for oil" are conspiracy theories.

Like I said before, if you have to make a political statement on that day, it's cowardly as everyone else is honoring fallen victims. Today is 9/12, everyone can feel free to discuss as they wish, but like I said, if you can't excersie self control, it's disrespectful and you probably shouldn't be having an adult discussion to begin with.

B00STED4V · 09-12-2008, 02:08 PM

oh and it's spelled towards

YoungGun · 09-12-2008, 03:50 PM

neighter this was uncalled for on the anniversary day...bring it up any other day....

kinda sad that everyone gets in a hissy over this instead of remembering the mothers, brothers, fathers, sisters, etc. that died that day.

Chad

B00STED4V · 09-12-2008, 03:56 PM

no doubt

and thats from a marine ladies and gents

Tonto-T · 09-12-2008, 04:23 PM

The Germans wanted us to split Berlin up into East and West halfs... The Nazi's lost the war on purpose.

FreeBird · 09-12-2008, 05:34 PM

still the jumping....

the level at which people would consider such an act...above all other immages its those that cloud my thoughts when i think about yesterday...

Jackie Chan · 09-12-2008, 06:02 PM

You lose all credibility when you try to discuss the truther speak of the 9/11 goings on. I prefer to ask people why anything would be kept secret or tapes disappear. Our rights have been reversed. We as citizens of this country were the ones with secrecy and anonymity at one point, now the government is the one with all of the secrets. That is where the problem lies and we should be angry as hell about it. Transparency in government is the key....it should be an ink blot compared to its size atm, we have complacency and ignorance of the population to thank for it. The people get the government they deserve.

**jdv** · 09-12-2008, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by OxMox

oh and it's spelled towards

Don't know what you're talking about..

:ninjaedit:

nEighter · 09-12-2008, 11:24 PM

I am extremely tired so I won't get totally into this. BUT I will say this, what time is a good time to talk about anything that is thought to be unpopular? When is the right time? A soldier dies, and on that day is it wise to review why he died, what happened, what could have been prevented? Or does the military suspend all talk about what happened till the next day to "honor" him or her? Yeah. They talk about it, cause it could be anyone at anytime that the same thing or worse happens to.

Just because some think it is not a popular topic doesn't meant that ALL think the same way. A total analogy is "one man's trash is another man's treasure"

everyone thinks different and to say that "YOU HAVE TO THINK THIS WAY" or your wrong is censorship, and control. I brought this topic up because there is no better time to talk about a subject than when it is on your mind. 9/12 doesn't mean squat to me, neither does 9/10. 9/11 however does. And with that date is the emotion I felt and the rekindered desire to find out what happened. No disrespect AT ALL.

nEighter · 09-12-2008, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Jackie Chan

You lose all credibility when you try to discuss the truther speak of the 9/11 goings on. I prefer to ask people why anything would be kept secret or tapes disappear. Our rights have been reversed. We as citizens of this country were the ones with secrecy and anonymity at one point, now the government is the one with all of the secrets. That is where the problem lies and we should be angry as hell about it. Transparency in government is the key....it should be an ink blot compared to its size atm, we have complacency and ignorance of the population to thank for it. The people get the government they deserve.

I agree 100%

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Originally Posted by YoungGun

neighter this was uncalled for on the anniversary day...bring it up any other day....

kinda sad that everyone gets in a hissy over this instead of remembering the mothers, brothers, fathers, sisters, etc. that died that day.

Chad

I beg to differ. I wasn't saying we should go to their graves and piss on em. What I said was we should find out why it happened. That is not disrespectful, but 180 degrees opposite.. lets fight, not sit and cry about it. One of your boys go down, would you walk out into the middle of the fight with a white flag and say "you know guys.. bill just died, let's pick this up tomorrow, that way we can honor him" ? No you dig in and take that shit out on the other guy. In a sense that is what I was saying.

Guess look at it in a negative way guys.. now it is 2 days later and all that is being talked about is that it was brought up on 9/11 instead of what the whole thread was started about to begin with

X 11bazillion!!

**stang_lover69** · 09-12-2008, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Jackie Chan

You lose all credibility when you try to discuss the truther speak of the 9/11 goings on. I prefer to ask people why anything would be kept secret or tapes disappear. Our rights have been reversed. We as citizens of this country were the ones with secrecy and anonymity at one point, now the government is the one with all of the secrets. That is where the problem lies and we should be angry as hell about it. Transparency in government is the key....it should be an ink blot compared to its size atm, we have complacency and ignorance of the population to thank for it. The people get the government they deserve.

jackie's back

nEighter · 09-12-2008, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by OxMox

no doubt

and thats from 1 marine ladies and gents

fix't

B00STED4V · 09-12-2008, 11:55 PM

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